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Your Guide to Conquer Fear of Public Speaking

I’ve heard of all the standard public speaking tips, like making eye contacts with your audience, plan your speech, practice, speak with volume, and standing up straight. Although, they are valuable tips, none of these tips address the real problem underlying my speech delivery. Namely, my fear of failure, and the crippling nervousness I experience when standing in front of a crowd of people.

I’m sure you can relate to the nervousness I’m referring to. Even if you are Tony Robbins or an expert in speech delivery, at some point in your life, you’ve felt nervous when giving a presentation. I used to hate public-speaking, I would get so nervous that the only thing I heard was the sound of my heart bouncing out of my chest, the only thing I felt was my stomach tightening up as I wipe my sweaty palms on my pants. In the past, I’ve dealt with this fear by avoiding presenting in front of people, whenever possible. But I’ve since learned that the best way to deal with any fear is facing it. I started looking outside of myself, then learning and testing out various techniques for dealing with fear. I began practicing advice on giving outstanding presentations. In my experimentation, I have found that several techniques have worked miracles in helping me give effective and fearless presentations.

I am not an expert on public speaking, but I am an avid student on the subject. I’ve spoken at Universities on recruiting trips for and on various topics within the company. This is my testing ground for the techniques explained below. I am still learning, just as you are. I hope you find these tips useful in preparing and delivering your next presentation.

1. Focus on Creating Value Rather Than Your Self

I believe that the number one reason why we get nervous while delivering a speech is because we focus too much on ourselves. We become worried of how we’ll look in front of people, and concerned with what others will think of us. We try our best not to look stupid, while in the process this thought is making us more nervous, thus making us look ‘stupid’. While we think about appearing incompetent, we fear it more, until all our thoughts are connected to the fear. This forms a downward spiral, and a self-fulfilling prophecy as we experience the failure we feared.

While preparing for your speech, focus on the goal; the reason that your presentation will be useful to the listeners. Change your focus by asking yourself the following questions:

  • What value am I providing for my audience?
  • What is the most important thing for them to take away from my talk?
  • How will this talk/topic benefit them?

I believe that these are the most important questions to ask, for several reasons:

  • If we are not providing value, then we are just wasting time. Both our own and our audience’s time.
  • You will have a clear goal for the presentation. With a single goal in mind, it will be clear what words should be used and which pictures need to be painted. The result will be a simple, cohesive and comprehensive speech design and delivery.
  • You will see your presentation from the eyes of the person sitting in the chair listening, instead of the person talking. Many presentations are centered around the presenter, as this is very easy to do when designing presentations without thinking about the end user/audience.

While giving your presentation, put all of your focus on conveying this value to your audience. Since we can really only focus on one thing at a time, we cannot focus on both on giving the most outstanding presentation and the worry of what others think of us at the same instant. Focus entirely on giving your audience value, and do this with your whole being. This will shift your point of focus from yourself, and into giving something of value to your listeners. In doing so, you will witness your worries decrease.


2. Visualization & Affirmations

We feel nervous when we imagine ourselves as a public failure. Our minds become full with this unpleasant, mind-created, fearful image of ourselves. Instead, fill your mind with visions of success, confidence and joy.


  • On the morning of your presentation day, spend 5-15 minutes calming your mind and centering yourself. During this time, you can try the following visualization exercise.
  • Be at a comfortable place without interruptions. Turn off the phone.
  • Close your eyes, focus on your breath for about a minute. Breathe deeply and slowly.
  • See yourself as a third person in your imagination. (I suggest viewing yourself as if the camera is on the ground and looking up at you. This creates an image of power and strength.)
  • In this image, see yourself with complete confidence, strength, charisma and personal power. See yourself standing tall and strong.
  • Visualize yourself giving the presentation. See yourself walking in, see yourself smiling at the people in the room. Feel the energy of confidence radiating from your smile, from your voice. See yourself at the front of the room, with an audience of people smiling back at you. Feel the energy throbbing within you, ready to deliver an outstanding talk to these eager listeners.
  • See yourself giving an outstanding presentation in the most ideal scenario. See the confidence already within yourself, expressing your ideas to the audience.
  • See yourself after delivering the talk. “It was easier than I thought!” you say to yourself. See the positive impact you’ve made after the presentation.

Positive affirmations about yourself are a powerful tool to boost confidence. When creating an affirmation, you are giving positive suggestions to your subconscious, so that your mind will be filled with positive images of yourself. I practice writing self affirmations during especially nerve racking situations. If you have yet to try creating positive images of yourself, you’re going to think it sounds ridiculous. Essentially, you are tricking your subconscious mind into believing you feeling differently than you do right now. What you need to understand is that you are who you believe you are. Once you release the possibility that visualizing self affirmations will not work , and you believe you are the person that you want to be, then you will understand. Until you believe the affirmations, keep repeating them, and your mind will start to believe it. This belief in yourself will help you in situations requiring self-confidence.


  • Write down a series of positive statements applicable for speaking, and for building self-image and confidence. The following are some examples to help you get started:
    • I am a fantastic speaker and I deliver engaging presentations.
    • I am confident and powerful.
    • I create tremendous value for other people.
    • I am an outstanding person.
    • My work is important. People rely on my excellence.
    • I kick ass. :)
  • Repeat these statements out aloud as much as possible. It is important to stay them out aloud, but if you really can’t, verbalize them in your mind. Before a sales meeting once, I was repeating similar affirmations to myself as I got ready in the morning, and in the car as I drove to the meeting. I sold with flying colors. That’s when I really learned the power of affirmation.
  • Write and print them on paper, or tape them on walls. I’ve seen some people taping these on bathroom mirrors, so that it’s the first thing they see in the morning. I have some of my most influential personal affirmations taped to the wall across from my bed, so that I see them and are reminded every day.

3. Acknowledging Your Fear

As with overcoming any negative emotion, one of the most effective techniques I’ve found is fully facing your emotions. Acknowledge your fear by fully feeling the feelings of that fear. Become the observer of that emotion, allowing it to flow and see the source of that emotion. As you observe it and allow it to happen, you will feel less and less of the fear.

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4. ‘Fake It Till You Make It’

Choose a mentor, someone who inspires you and excels at giving speeches. You don’t have to know or have a personal relationship with this person. Anyone who you admire, whom exemplifies the skills you desire. I like to use Tony Robbins or my friend Richard Greene for this purpose.

Once you have a mentor in mind, put yourself in their shoes and see the world through their eyes. Imagine you are this person.

Ask yourself:

  • What would [mentor] do in this situation?
  • How would [mentor] present this point?
  • How would [mentor] engage the audience for this point?

Carrying their energy, how will they present in this situation? Whenever I tried this technique, I’ve always felt as if a gust of energy had hit me, and I noticed that I could then articulate points very quickly and clearly.

5. Authenticity

Be yourself. Be honest, be pure, be open, show your vulnerabilities. Share your thoughts with the audience even if it sounds awkward. This will have an endearing quality to touch your audience’s hearts, and this will help your audience to understand you. I once saw a girl speak at a timed speech, she screwed up the timing for the auto-slides, and was completely embarrassed. She talked about how embarrassed she was and tried very hard to keep going. The entire audience was sympathizing with her and was rooting for her to succeed. When we see authentic qualities in a person, we can’t help but to relate with that person on a human emotional level. You become a friend without having been formally introduced.

Be present in the moment and allow your self-expression to flow freely in that moment. Express yourself beautifully, fully and naturally. Without having to focus deeply on being yourself, you will naturally express yourself in your own unique way.

Does being authentic seem contradictory to imagining you are your mentor (#4 – Fake it till you make it) ? Understand that you can feel the same confidence and energy as your mentor, but express the words as your true self. Even if you are picturing yourself as a mentor, you will naturally convey your own ideas, in your own style and with your own words.


6. Engage the Audience at the Beginning

I’ve found myself to be most nervous right before giving a presentation and at the very start of a presentation. I can think of few moments more nerve racking than walking in front of a silent audience all staring at you blankly. Once I realize that I’m not going to die from delivering a speech, I am able to relax. I like to start every talk with ice-breakers to crack the silence and make the audience aware that they are encouraged to participate. I also like to make them laugh to gain their full attention.

Here are some ideas of ice-breakers and audience engaging techniques:

  • Ask the audience a question. Simple question that anyone can answer. Encourage shouting of answers. Gently make fun of the audience if no one answers. When people answer your question or throw out guesses, the attention is placed on them rather than yourself.
  • Interact with your audience: Get the audience to make a physical movement, such as raising their hand, giving their neighbor a high-five, pointing at some body, or patting themselves in the back. This unexpected movement from the audience will help the audience be more engaged in the rest of your speech, since they’ve already psychologically invested in you by taking a participating in your request. If people have been sitting for a long time, their movement also helps to get their blood flowing and keep them awake. *smiles*
  • Tell a joke.
  • Show a funny picture or video that’s somewhat related the topic at hand.
  • Get the audience to repeat what you said. Same reasoning as physical movement.
  • Get the audience to repeat your main points, which you’ve reiterated over and over throughout your presentation. Make sure you have no more than 3 main points, and make them easy to remember and repeat. Remind the audience of your main points throughout the talk, so that your audience is familiar with what these points are.

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51 thoughts on Your Guide to Conquer Fear of Public Speaking

  1. Hi Tina,

    I have just came back from T Harv Eker’s seminar and on the last day (which is yesterday), he gave us a cool definition of fear.

    He said that, fear means anticipation of pain and i agree with you that the best way to overcome pain is to face it.

    Thank you for sharing the rare tips. :)

  2. I loved your post. Full of really practical suggestions that really do work. As a presentation skills coach I teach many of these topics plus a few extra ones but at the heart of it is authenticity.

    My only caveat would be regarding your suggestion to tell a joke. Unless you are a confident speaker with good timing, the chances are that a joke at the start will fall flat leaving you feeling very exposed! Instead I would recommend a little self deprecating humour. For example tell a story about yourself where you did something dumb or stupid that relates to the topic of your presentation. The audience will empathise with you and see that you understand how they feel too.

    Keep blogging!

  3. Tina, you nailed it at number one! Realizing your there to give something is the center of all public speaking. It’s all about your audience.

    Fears will come, but knowing your subject so that it comes from within and not from your notes will push you through all the initial emotions that standing before a group a people present.

    Speaking and presenting what your passionate about is the foundation for success as a public speaker.

    Great post Tina!!

  4. Excellent post, Tina! I love #1 and #5, especially. I like to keep the beginnings of my presentations on the casual side – why pretend that we’re anything other than human, right? And it also helps to remember that the audience is on our side. They want to be educated and entertained.

    Another thing I like to focus on is story-telling. Every presentation is one big story, with little stories in the middle to illustrate each point. When we have our stories to tell, we immediately bring the presentation to a human, interpersonal level where we can all relate.

    Thanks for this great post!

  5. Great Post again Tina!

    Here’s another 5 quick tips to becoming a better public speaker. You can add it to your “External Resources on Public Speaking” if you like.

    Raymond: I was at T.Harv Eker’s MMI seminar too =)

  6. This is a great post, Tina. I can relate to speaking from the perspective of creating rather than performing. Creating makes speaking much more fun. I also strongly believe in being authentic. This has been so important to me that I have recently downgraded my Powerpoint presentations or don’t use them at all. This has helped me connect better with my audience as I am able to speak from the heart. I just said to myself, ” you know your stuff-now let your heart speak!” This approach has paid off immeasurably. I have more fun speaking, my audience is delighted, and I usually end up with a few new clients!

  7. I let the fear of public speaking intimidate me most of my life, so I avoided it at all costs, and the costs were high.

    I finally decided to break the fear. I had a practice I wanted to share, so I advertised the introductory session — a talk by your’s truly.

    Thirty people showed up– heart pounding — but I began, and whenever I felt myself become overwhelmed with nervousness, I paused, I breathed, and I looked around at the audience until I could go on again.

    After the talk, several people came up to ask, where I learned to be so calm in public speaking, that I could have the presence to pause like that, to let them absorb what was said. If they only knew.

    Great stuff Tina. Just thought add that little personal story.


  8. Great post! A couple of points I would like to add:
    – practice makes perfect (eventually);
    – don’t try to copy somebody else’s format, develop your own;
    – add value but also meaning & fun.

  9. Simple way to get all of this in one package:
    Join Toastmasters! Sometimes, we must force ourselves to do that which we avoid.

  10. @Raymond: Hey Ray! Did you enjoy MMI? I last went about 2 years ago and loved the experience. So much to learn.
    “fear is anticipation of pain”.. haha.. great quote. I forgot about that. :)

    @Gavin Meikle: Hi Gavin, great suggestion with telling a self deprecating humour rather than a joke. You are right, I should have been more specific. I’ll add that into the article. :)
    Thanks so much for stopping by. I love the theme of your blog, bookmarking it now and will reference to it in future articles on public speaking and presentations.

    @David Finch: Thank you for the thoughtful comment. You are absolutely right. I feel that being completely focused on the moment and speaking from the heart will get us through fear each time. And people leave the presentation feeling connected to what you spoke about and will likely remember it. Great comment! Nicely expressed. :)

    @Andrea Hess: That’s a great tip. It’s so true, when things are expressed like a story, the audience don’t just passively receive information, but they actively participate with their imaginations. This makes it easy for others to relate with us and our points, again will make them retain the information you presented. You are right, the audience is on our side, I forget that sometimes when I’m super nervous looking back at a sea of blank faces. :) Thanks for the reminder.

    @Yee (Personal Development for the Book Smart):
    That’s so funny that you and Raymond went to the same seminar. How did you like it? Thanks for the link, I’ll note that for next time. :)

    @Terri Holley: I hear ya. I’ve been downgrading my slides down to almost nothing. Sometimes I am ‘forced’ to use slides for the sake of formality, but I typically will have a bright solid colored page with one word or short phrase in the middle, and I speak the rest with my heart. Or I’ll show a picture or comic strip, show that in the background as I speak. :) I love this approach, since if I have lots on my power-point slides, I’m more likely to want to read off it, but if I don’t have anything to read, I’m forcing myself to speak truthfully by being in the moment, and authenticity can’t help but to come out of that. :) Thanks for your thoughtful comment!

    @John Rocheleau: Hey John, I always love your little stories. So personable, relate-able and authentic. :) You mentioned the costs were high. What were the costs? :)

    @The New Inspirer: Great points! Thanks for sharing. I especially like “add value but also meaning & fun”. That’s important. What’s life if we are so serious all the time without any fun, right? :)

    @ToddSchafer: hahaha.. you know.. the thought of ToastMaster makes me a bit nervous. Perhaps that means I should join. Okay, it’s on the list of todos for next year. :) Thanks for the inspiration and smiles.

  11. Hi Tina,

    I did enjoy myself very much. In fact, it’s one of the best seminar I have attended.

    I have bought my 6 jars yesterday and I’m ready to manage my money now. :)

    I have bought 4 tickets for next year seminar. :)

    It is indeed a great experience.

  12. @Raymond: That’s cute. I have my 6 jars too, but I don’t use them anymore, except the FFA jar. I now use separate bank accounts instead of the jars after putting this money management method into practice. I love how I could throw out terms like FFA with you and you don’t look at me like a crazy person. :)

  13. Hey Tina,

    FFA. The word hits my button and it makes me feel excited. Thanks for the adrenalin shot. I was just thinking how on earth am I going to share this with others.

    People’s first expression is to laugh when I say I use the jars to save money. Now I feel a little relieve when you talk to me using the same language.

    I still prefer to use the jars which are something I can see and feel everyday. Who knows, maybe after a while, I’ll get bored with the jars and use bank account instead. :-)

    Have you tried the breaking the arrows exercise?

    You can watch mine here:

    Don’t forget to rate the video and leave me a comment. :-)

    That’s really an amazing moment!

    Cool. I know another friend who speaks to me using terms like FFA, LTSS, EDUC … etc. You make my day, buddy.

  14. Hey Tina,

    You asked: “You mentioned the costs were high. What were the costs? :)”

    My fear began with a bad experience in grade school and carried on into my career. My avoidance of public speaking caused me to pass up many opportunities for career advancement, both in employment and self-employment.

    If I knew then what I know now (bet you’ve heard that one before), I would have gone to Toastmasters or some such solution. If i did that, my life would have turned out much different, and I have to say, better than it did.

    If you have something to say, you should be able to say it. A lot of talent is wasted in fear. If anyone relates to this, please give yourself the one of the biggest gifts ever — a voice — and a much better chance at a meaningful life.


  15. I just set up my 6 jars system too. Just put $10 into my FFA today. It’s a small start but it’s the habit that matters =)

  16. That’s a great start.

    It’s the habit, not the amount.

    I guess I have to stop here.

    Sorry Tina for getting out of the topic of this post. I hope I don’t upset you. :-)

    That’s the side effect of the excitement after the seminar.

  17. Thank You! This was very helpful!

  18. Tina, nice as always. If I might add, develop your own style. Just become comfortable in your own skin, talk the way you normally talk (of course, toned down for public consumption.) And just do it! That’s how I developed my public speaking skills, I took on a teaching role for a few months. I was stuttering at first, nearly falling over from nervousness, but after a month I was completely comfortable.

  19. tina,

    loved this post. i am a pastor/church planter and communicate often. still, before every talk, the nerves creep in. i think your advice is spot on for anyone who communicates often or just once in a while.

    i especially agree with your advice to focus on adding value for the audience. preachers are notorious for laying out all kinds of information, most of it well thought out and accurate, at the expense of application. one of the most helpful ideas i have embraced in my communication is teaching less for more: say one thing, say it well, say it over and over, and make it memorable. just as a communicator cannot focus on more than one thing while communicating, our audiences often cannot hear and apply more than one thing.

    again, great post and great blog!

  20. You have some excellent tips in overcoming the fear of public speaking; however, I do agree with Galvin on the topic of jokes. Audiences love humor, but IMHO, jokes are for comedians and humorous stories are for speakers. You really need to know how to tell jokes and, regretfully, many of the jokes I’ve heard were not well practiced or I had heard them before. If you talk about a humorous experience that happened to you, it will be original and usually quite interestingly.

    If you do tell a joke — it MUST be appropriate to the speech.

    Acknowledging your fear is very appropriate, though I believe you need to know about fear and why the body physically changes and you get the trembling knees, hands and lips, etc. The trembling is caused by excess blood and oxygen going into the muscles to prepare the body to fight or flight.

    I’m not sure if I agree with #4, “Fake It Till You Make It.” How do you fake it and not be nervous? Perhaps #4 should be retitled “Mentoring” because I agree 100% in having at least one mentor. BTW, Richard Greene is great; however, I think he was, initially, a bit nervous when he was the keynote speaker at the Toastmasters International Convention in Reno.

    For John who let the fear of public speaking intimidate him at all costs reminded me of myself. I had such a fear of public speaking and lacked effective communication skills that I was not as successful as I might have been. Through, Toastmasters, however, I learned the skills to communicate and I acquire the confidence to be a communications coach today.

    John, you said “If I knew then what I know now (bet you’ve heard that one before), I would have gone to Toastmasters or some such solution. If i did that, my life would have turned out much different, and I have to say, better than it did.”

    Have you joined Toastmasters? And you’re right, I’ve been successful compared to many others, and my passion took over to be successful in some cases. But, I can ditto “My avoidance of public speaking caused me to pass up many opportunities for career advancement, both in employment and self-employment.” From my early days, my passion was to work with others by mentoring, coaching or teaching; however, I majored in a secondary interest of mine — chemistry. I enjoyed chemistry, but that was never a real passion.

    If you haven’t joined Toastmasters, do it! If you have and left, return, and continue with it. I have seen, not only for myself, but for many others how Toastmasters changed lives.

  21. @Raymond: hahaha.. great video. Yeah, I did the arrow’s too. It was a really cool experience. What seemed impossible to do is possible if you just go for it. :)

    @John Rocheleau: Thank you John for the follow up. It’s very touching to see the stories you are sharing with us, because we can relate and see outselves in the same positions. Your quote is very inspiring. I’m writing it down, “please give yourself the one of the biggest gifts ever — a voice — and a much better chance at a meaningful life.”
    Thank you!

    @SJ (Personal Development for the Book Smart): *smiles* Good for you! Keep adding even the smallest amount in there.

    @Mikey Mc: Thanks for visiting.

    @Albert: Great to hear from ya. That’s a very good advice, to speak how you normally speak. I think the important thing is owning what you say. And you can’t own something if it’s not your natural way of speaking. I like to talk as if I’m having a conversation with my audience.

    @jay hardwick: Thanks so much for the thoughtful feedback and suggestion. It’s very humbling to see that public speakers such as yourself still feel the butterflies before a talk. It’s very human.

    This is fantastic advice you are giving, “teaching less for more: say one thing, say it well, say it over and over, and make it memorable.”
    It’s very true, but one that we can easily forget when preparing for a presentation, especially if we let our mind get in the way of wanting things to sound complicated and informative. I’m preparing for a talk tomorrow, I will definitely keep this in mind. :) Thank you!

    @Frank S. Adamo: Thank you for leaving such a heart warming and thoughtful comment. You are right, instead of telling a joke, I should update that point to humorous stories or self deprecating humour as Gavin suggested.

    For point #4. The most correct title should have been “Modeling a Mentor”, but I used “Fake It Till You Make It.” because it’s a common phrase I hear and I’ve repeated that to my self in the past. It helps me to get into the mindset of a mentor who I’m modeling after.

    I didn’t see Richard Greene’s talk. But I could see how even a great coach can become nervous. :) I’ve listened to his 5 secret cd set a few years ago, and noticed a positive and effective change in my communications with others. One thing I am impressed with Richard is his Charisma and how it radiates through him when he speaks, even to strangers on the street. I befriended him early this year at a chance encounter because we were both fans of Eckhart Tolle.
    Another great speaker that knows how to touch our hearts is Les Brown. He’s well known in the toastmasters circle, no? I’ve cried watching him speak before. Amazing how words can be so powerful when expressed with heart.

    I am now inspired and will look into joining the local toastmasters. Thanks for the inspiration you guys!

  22. Gil

    Hi, I’m … um… thank you.

  23. “I didn’t see Richard Greene’s talk. But I could see how even a great coach can become nervous.”

    When you’re speaking in front of 4,000 to 5,000 top Toastmasters worldwide (including at least 5 World Champions speakers), even the very best would be a bit intimidated . And Richard Greene was awesome. He was the first speaker who really taught me the analytical side of speaking as he went through the 4 languages of speaking, the Communication Effectiveness Continuum (going from performing to presenting and finally to conversing), and more. He was excellent and I would recommend him every time.

  24. This is for Gil, who said “Hi, I’m … um… thank you.” Gil, I’m not sure if I can help you with writing filler words, but I have a technique to help others on their spoken filler words. This is coming from a person who is still the “ah Champion” of my Toastmasters club for more than 16 years. I had over 30 filler words in a 2 minute impromptu speech (called Table Topics).

    Whenever you are watching a news show on TV, talk radio shows, PBS stations, late night shows, seminars at work, religious speakers (of whatever faith), or just talking to your friends — mentally evaluate them. Count the number of ahs, ums and other filler words they use. After a while, you’ll start to become conscious of your own filler words. Eventually, you may even get so distracted by other speakers, you’ll never listen to anyone like I used to be.

    Additionally, to improve your communication skills, continue to evaluate others on content, organization, voice variety, body language, eye contact, and more. Not only will you learn to be a better speaker, you may even realize that you’re better than some paid speakers. That will give you enough confidence to get over any fear of speaking.

  25. Frank Adamo — you said in response to my comment:

    “If you haven’t joined Toastmasters, do it! If you have and left, return, and continue with it. I have seen, not only for myself, but for many others how Toastmasters changed lives.”

    No I haven’t, but I am haunted by the prospect :-).

    Three very important people in my life have independently suggested to me that I join Toastmasters. All of them implied that they felt I had something to say and the presence to get it across. I of course resisted out of fear. After some time, I pushed past much of that fear, but not fully. Toastmasters would enable me to function at my highest. I have procrastinated, but it remains the single most empowering thing to do on my agenda.

    I have learned something important about fear, and that is: Your greatest fear often masks your greatest strength.

    When I overcame much of my fear and started speaking to groups, I found that I was capable of becoming totally immersed in speaking. I could connect to those present in a way that seemed inspired and intuitive. I have also done presentations and demonstrations of creative products for corporations, with the same results. It’s a people thing. When I am in front of a group, the words just flow, and I feel this connectedness. Pretty cool stuff, but it would never occur without the courage to transmute fear into strength.

    The greater your fear, the more you have to look forward to in overcoming it.

    And the next step for me is …… Ummmtooostamasters …… ummmaybe :-)


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